Janine Driver

Probing Point

Time

Description

1

0:03

As Sandusky says, “These allegations are false,” he looks to the upper right (which indicates he is creating an answer) and giggles.

2

0:05

He stutters and stammers as he says “I dddd-didn’t do those things.”

3

0:05

People who get caught will often dumb down the crime. Sandusky does this as he says he “…didn’t do those things” as opposed to saying “I didn’t molest x, y, and z.”

4

0:08

After saying the above-mentioned statement, Sandusky does a shoulder shrug, which is indicative of uncertainty. When done with a definitive statement, it is suspicious and cancels out what was just said.

5

2:18

Sandusky talks about the report being “unfounded” but he does not deny doing the inappropriate behavior.

6

3:50

Sandusky displays a tongue protrusion. In adults, these protrusions increase when they are lying or not being forthright.

7

3:56 – 3:58

Here, he does an extended eye blink. This is often seen when someone is about something to be deceptive. It’s as if only they can “see” the truth.

8

4:06

Sandusky looks way off to the right, in the opposite direction of the interviewer. This behavior is highly suspect and indicates there is more to the story. It’s as if he’s looking for a helpline.

9

4:16

When he finishes saying “…inappropriate behavior in the shower,” he does another shoulder shrug. This is one of the top 3 moves we see in deceptive people, and again, it signals uncertainty.

10

4:25

Sandusky giggles, bends down, and responds, “It didn’t happen.” A truthful person would be more apt to speak in the first person, i.e. “I didn’t touch anyone.”

11

4:31

Here Sandusky does more shoulder shrugging with his right shoulder.

12

4:32

He says, “In my mind it wasn’t inappropriate behavior.” What in particular wasn’t inappropriate in “his mind?”

13

4:38

“If you want you can speak to the ah-ah-ah-you, know, the person, the person (deep swallow) that was involved.” This stammering and stuttering indicates he is stalling, and it’s often used when people are being deceptive. It allows them to buy time to think of what to say. Also, his unwillingness to say the alleged victim’s name is a use of “Distancing Language”. It is much like when Bill Clinton said, “I did not […] that woman.”

14

4:44

More shoulder shrugging

15

When discussing no longer being allowed to work the kids out in the school’s gym, Sandusky adds, “Can I just work them out?” The word “just” is suspicious, as it downplays the topic (any topic), and this sentence doesn’t make sense. What else was he planning on doing with them other than “just working out?”

16 – 34

Sandusky says, “And and (16) I guess, ah (17), you know (18), in the times that you (19) had with them, you always (stop – 20) those (stop – 21) all the time were precious times. You know (22), they were significant times because they weren’t, ah, (23) you know (24), they weren’t going to have you and you weren’t going to have them (25), you know (26). So (27), there was ah, ah, (28) there was all kind of (stop – 29) it was significant times. It was important times. And umm (stop – 30) this um (31) (inaudible – 32), it just happened that way (33), I don’t know (34).

This ramble is incoherent, loaded with deceptive start and stop sentences, verbal fillers, strange language, and distancing language and what exactly was “precious and significant?”

35

7:15

Sandusky repeats NBC’s Bob Costa’s question, if he’s sexually attracted to under-aged boys. This is a close-ended “yes” or “no” question. His rambling answer is suspicious and indicates that he’s not being truthful.

36

7:27

As Sandusky remembers and speaks about being asked the question on NBC if he’s sexually attracted to young boys, he leaks a micro-expression of fear with his eyes wide open.

37

7:30

Sandusky comments, “If I say that I’m not attracted to young boys, that’s not the truth.” In Statement Analysis, we discover that people reveal the truth to us in the actual words they say. This response is highly suspicious, even though his lawyer tries to help him say that he’s attracted to spending time with young people, not sexually. Sandusky himself doesn’t say, “I’m not attracted sexually to young boys.”